Recording Tyler, the Creator with Apollo and UAD | Universal Audio (2024)

Tyler described it in a recent interview as sounding like Pusha T and Stevie Wonder got together —hard-ass 808 beats with lots ofchords.

Tyler’s records tend to push the edges of what is commercially acceptable in rap, and I think some people just can’t comprehend what he’s trying to achieve —especially other rappers. Their attitude is, “Tyler’s kinda weird. Why is he playing all those pretty chords over this hard music?” But I think Tyler has always trusted that at some point, it would makesense.

Even when we started working together, I had to learn to view rap music through his lens. But when he started trying to put all these new sounds into one album, I got onboard. What’s the worst that can happen? The science experiment blows up in our face —but at least we’ll still feelsomething.

Everything I work on ends up in Pro Tools. But Tyler’s a Logic Pro guy, so the creative process starts there. We did all our production in that environment, then imported the tracks to Pro Tools. With Mac Miller, for example, we would start in Ableton. So I’ve had to acclimate myself to different artist’s workflow, and as a result, I’m pretty fluent in multipleDAWs.

At this point, I’ve got a potent three-point attack any time I need to step into a room with a new artist. “You know Ableton Live?” Gotcha. “Logic?” Gotcha. “You good with Pro Tools?” I gotcha there, too. I’d recommend any engineer try to familiarize themselves with more than one DAW. It’s certainly helpedme.

Yes. We started by bouncing tracks from Logic to Pro Tools, but to Tyler’s ear —and he’s very specific about the way things sit in the sonic landscape —the bounces didn’t sound right. The fidelity of the 808s was taking a hit, and the more abrasive synths just weren’t cutting through. We tried every option to bounce tracks, but just kept hittingroadblocks.

I've had experience with Apollo interfaces, but the light bulb didn’t go on until we were doing some tracks with A$AP Rocky, and his engineer Hector Delgado said, “Bro, all you have to do is get a couple of Apollos, and then you can dump all the tracks at once, directly into Pro Tools.” So we did, and itworked.

I built an I/O template in Console, and made sure that each channel coming out of Logic was sent to its own dedicated track in Pro Tools. In the past, I’d bounce AIFF files from Logic to Pro Tools, and then use UAD plug-ins to process those files —but this gave me a whole new handle on transferring tracks andstems.

I realized I could use all those killer UAD plug‑ins on individual tracks on the way into Pro Tools, and commit the processing as it was being printed. Plus, when it came time to send tracks to the mixer, Neal Pogue, the sounds were completely dialed and ready togo.

I got turned onto sub-harmonic processors back in 2015 when Mick Guzuaski mixed part of Tyler’s Cherry Bomb album, which I’d engineered. Maintaining fidelity of 808s is a huge challenge —I can’t tell you how much people struggle with giving those the right amount of space in a mix. But using the Little Labs VOG plug‑in makes so much sense. It became one of our miracle drugs for the 808, because it's perfect for tightening those bass frequencies and addingdetail.

Also, the Empirical Labs Fatso Jr and Sr is a real treat, especially on kick drums and snares. Generally, I would tweak an Empirical Labs Distressor to move in a similar way, but the Fatso really made our kick drums cut through, and remain super present among the whimsical menagerie of instruments we piled on top —it helped the beats not get lost in thesauce.

The Shadow Hills Mastering Compressor came in handy a number of times. I could put that thing on everything, but I especially like it on the mix bus while I work. I pop it in and out often, so I know how things change when they hit it, but you have to be aware of what it’s doing because there are so many parameters. You don’t want to find out after you’ve tracked a bunch of stuff, that you weren’t really hearing the sourceaccurately.

I also like the SSL G‑Master Buss Compressor on the mix bus. The SSL boards are the first recording desks that I really got familiar with. Paramount had every SSL except for the K series, so I learned on the SSL E‑Series, J‑Series, and the G‑Plus. At the end of a recording day, having to sum stuff together, I got used to having that iconic SSL Quad Compressor ondeck.

Well, we did have an ensemble cast —Kanye West, Lil Uzi Vert, Playboi Carti, Solange, and Jerrod Carmichael. But yes, the majority of those random, weird vocals wereTyler.

He usually lays down reference tracks for guest rappers or singers that he has in mind, be it Charlie Wilson from the Gap Band, Wanya Morris from Boyz II Men, or Cee‑Lo Green. He’s been doing that since his days with Odd Future, and I think he was inspired to push it even further with Igor. On some occasions, we ended up liking his “sound‑alike” versions better than the guest singers he was trying toemulate.

A typical vocal chain would look like this: , 610‑A, or API Vision Strip preamp. Then a Pultec EQP‑1A or FabFilter Pro‑Q 3 EQ. And for compressors, a Rev A “Bluestripe” 1176 or Fairchild660.

I used the SPL Vitalizer MK2‑T on a lot of the pitched vocals, and it even found its way onto the grand piano sounds, which needed a little enhancement and richness. For saturation and harmonic distortion, I love the Thermionic Culture Vulture —it’s a potent tool for carving out those aggressive synth sounds you hear all throughIgor.

Every song or mix provides obstacles that you’ve got to contend with on the spot. Many young engineers I talk to employ the "set‑it‑and‑forget‑it" approach. But my experience has taught me that every set of problems in a mix is unique, and requires its own uniquesolution.

Also, trust your ears. That’s become something of a lost art. When you have everything so dialed, and to a certain spec, you risk not relying on your ears. Don’t ever let thathappen.